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Posted: 27th Dec 2007, 2:13 pm
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Posted: 8th Jan 2008, 10:05 pm
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Turkey (Philips 704 201).
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Posted: 8th Jan 2008, 10:08 pm
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Singapore/Malaysia promo/sampler (Philips BW 704 201). I was more than a bit sceptical about this edition, which has a wraparound sleeve. However, I compared the label to all other issues and it's different!
And of course there's the fairly recently discovered picture sleeve for the UK edition - if I recall there's only about 3 known copies. Anyone ever seen one of those or got any more info on that one?
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Posted: 11th Feb 2008, 10:31 pm
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Yes - that UK picture sleeve is very probably fake! A little while after those three or so were sold a 'second edition' popped up by the same seller (Greg Vandike, who passed away last year I think), in a limited edition of a 100 or so.
As this same seller also had been selling a never ending supply of 'genuine' Guildford '72 posters, I'm afraid there is a very good chance that picture sleeve is a fraud. Of course it is hard to be really sure about it, but I wouldn't spend the GBP 4000 or so that it went for originally.
That's interesting to know, I hadn't heard of the re-issues before, so I agree you now have to be wary of the 'originals'. And yes you're right, Greg has died now. He always had a great selection of rare stuff for sale and at rare stuff prices too! As for the posters, I can't comment but after all these years you'd have thought he would have run out although I believe he was a music promoter in the past, so you never know.
mrmole
Now, the story. For about 30 years I have been trading stuff with a friend in England named Craig. At one stage Craig managed Record Peddler in Swan Street, Manchester. He later set up Compact in Manchester.
We used to exchange snail mail and then voice tapes. We met up on several occasions and then later, after Craig was married our families would holiday together in exotic locations like Hong Kong and Singapore. Life is good.
When Craig came out to see Bowie on his Glass Spider Tour in 1987 he sold me most of his UK vinyl Bowie collection. He had just got married or was about to get married. He was focusing on CDs and video. We managed to get an invite to the press conference at the Tivoli in 1987 together with two other English fans, Martyn and Pete. I asked Bowie the question about the Sigma Sound Sessions as well as the question about his back catalogue. That was a neat experience.
Craig and I would trade rarities. We never posted really rare items. We would store them till we met up. Anyway, back in 1997 or 1998, just before I moved house, he gave me a call and mentioned he had picked up some stuff that he felt would interest me. It included some old Deram demos, a Dutch Love You Till Tuesday 7" PS plus this UK Space Oddity Philips PS. The PS came with a mint copy of the single plus a crisp but aged company bag. The vinyl had some tiny age spots. The UK PS was matte, slightly worn on the left near Bowie's obscured left ear and had age spots on the back.
We met up in Hong Kong and Singapore after that but we did not swap any items as I had no place to store the records in Singapore. It was too hot and humid. Anyway, having moved back to Australia we agreed that we would wait till Craig's next trip to Australia. That happened last August. Craig brought all the singles plus some EMI limited 180 gram LPs.
I scanned the UK Space Oddity PS this afternoon. Authentic or not I have no idea. It does not worry me. It did not cost me anywhere near the copies sold on eBay or by Greg Vandike in recent years. Other copies have had a slight sheen to the PS. Maybe they are the authentic ones? Who knows?
On a related issue. A blank white label Philips promo of Space Oddity sold for £2227-00 on eBay. Why?
I felt quite shocked when I woke up in the morning and saw how much the single had sold for. I was quite surprised.
Were there monophonic white label promos of the UK Space Oddity with all the company printing on the labels? I know Marshall Jarman refers to the stereo promo that was pressed by Philips in Holland for the UK market. Were there mono promos?
Has anyone ever discovered a stereo stock copy of the UK Philips Space Oddity? Does it exist?
Thanks for the pictures John they're great. It really does look the part from the front, but I'm not so sure about the rear. There's no "printed by" or "made in" information etc, so the fake theory could be right. Having said that, I always thought it was a colour sleeve not black and white but that might be my memory getting it mixed up with another issue.
As for the stereo issues - I think you're right, I've never seen one and I think these were just the promo copies. Which is funny, because the story as I recall it was that the rare picture sleeves were supposedly made for the stereo promos. Anyway, who knows - maybe someone will confess one day if it's really a fake.
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Posted: 29th Mar 2008, 8:08 pm
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