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PostPosted: 12th Jul 2014, 12:27 am  
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I've been mucking around with this for years and finally decided to just put it out there.
In theory it's a list of every known studio version of every Bowie song, running at over 1400 right now.
It stemmed from a desire to make a playlist of everything in order, no idea why.

This is mostly based on Ruud and Nicholas Pegg's work so the credit really goes to them and everyone that has made contributions to the site / book.

Shooky has been a great help running his eye over an early draft and picking up many mistakes, but i'm sure he has kindly left a few in for everyone else.

There are many exceptions, inconsistencies and most likely errors.
It was done in two halves and when i revisited it I made some style changes that I have tried to retrofit over the early work.
And i've formatted it to print quite nicely too.

So, here are the rules i've used.

Date is the earliest known release date (exceptions below).
    uncertain dates are listed in red and are just month / year
    demos and sessions, if unknown, are listed at the earliest known date of relevant sessions
    finished tracks released later as part of anthologies are listed with parent album release
    tracks released as b-sides etc are given single release date

so regarding Ziggy for instance...

Star demo gets a red 5/71
Starman is listed earlier than the album with its single release date.
Then the album, followed by finished studio tracks (Sweet Head)
Then out of sync singles such as Round and Round and Velvet Goldmine.
And finally remixes such as the Metrophonic Starman which get the remixing release date.

Odd versions of single edits that popped up on compilations I just grouped with the original single.

However, following discussion with Shooky the plan is to strip out random regional fades and only include 'approved' alternate versions.
Which is where the fun will begin.
And example that i have removed is the Brazil Let's Dance which appears to be nothing more than an arbitrary fade most likely made due to limitations at the pressing plant.
Left in is the early fade of the Golden Years UK single which presumably Bowie approved.
Likewise odd versions in Best Of compilations are in because again there was presumably some official sanction.
The German fade of Amsterdam stays because it's most likely a decision that was made to tidy up a messy ending rather than just a random edit.

But everyone might have different ideas so feel free to make edits and upload your own variations.

I've put in a clumsy system for totalling running times etc (97 hours at this stage) but this breaks when you make edits.
And you will see my preferred playing order, again just something to help me sort.

I've included BBC sessions but not TV versions unless officially released.
I might revisit this but as a separate page because it's missing cool stuff like the Cher medley.

I've included odd live tracks but not full albums (not sure why - again will revisit) and tried to capture known live only tracks such as Hurt and Debaser.

There's lots of information in private hands which it would be great to have but i'm not optimistic.
But if you do happen to have a copy of the Ernie Johnson tape and would like to share the running times... please feel free. PM if you want to make anonymous suggestions.

I thought about a shared version of the document but that's going to get messy so perhaps edits / suggestions / errors can be listed here and then I can incorporate after a while and re-upload the list.

Here's a dropbox link, happy to email a copy if this causes problems for anyone.

https://dl.dropboxusercon ... mbers.xlsx


Christian


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PostPosted: 12th Jul 2014, 2:47 pm  
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PostPosted: 13th Jul 2014, 5:07 pm  
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Blinkin' Flip, never seen that before! Has anyone got one, and could they say what the remixes are like? Not much different, or really different? Good/bad, etc.

That's too much money for me, so I won't be finding out for myself.

Pete.


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PostPosted: 13th Jul 2014, 10:14 pm  
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peter w wrote:
Has anyone got one, and could they say what the remixes are like?

That's too much money for me, so I won't be finding out for myself.

I probably should’ve mentioned that the link is a old page that I bookmarked before the disc was sold a few years ago :-)

The Guitar mix may be the Rock mix (aka Rock Guitar mix) and you can hear a short clip from the Hip Hop mix on the link below.

IdbD Post#9191

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PostPosted: 14th Jul 2014, 12:17 pm  
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Pretty Things (150 BPM mix) 3:59

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PostPosted: 14th Jul 2014, 7:32 pm  
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Ta to Beckenham for the pointer and clip. Hadn't remembered that it has been a previous topic. Nothing too exciting then, but different mixes are different mixes! We all want them really, even if they are dull ones. And hat's off to all involved in these spreadsheets and suchlike,... someone has to do it. We all like a good list too, don't we.

Pete.


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PostPosted: 18th Jul 2014, 9:03 pm  
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Thanks Alan for those pointers and also embedding the sheet.
I'm still sifting through, adding and editing where i've found errors and people have made suggestions.
When i've got the next version, i'll talk to you about how to best host it.

Christian


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PostPosted: 7th Mar 2017, 8:23 pm  
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Goto post #21784 attfield wrote:
Thanks Alan for those pointers and also embedding the sheet.
I'm still sifting through, adding and editing where i've found errors and people have made suggestions.
When i've got the next version, i'll talk to you about how to best host it.

Christian


Christian

Did you get around to updating the spreadsheet? I would love to see it and help out in any way that I can.

Chris


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PostPosted: 11th Mar 2017, 10:19 am  
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This looks fantastic. Does it include Tin Machine? Reason for asking is Reeves has revealed a Velvet Underground cover was fully mixed and mastered in 89.

http://stevepafford.com/d ... ls-899909/


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